Posts by cha ching

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What would this world be like today , if their was never , ever , any concept of a GOD or a Creator .?

by smiddy in

given the fact that religion has been such a divisive force throughout history amongst all nations and tribes of the earth , i wonder how things might have been different had their been no god / creator / religion in the mix.. of course religion alone has not been the cause of all mankinds troubles & conflicts with each other , nationalism , polotics , racism , to name a few are also guilty of these problems.. but it seems to me that religion , beleif in a creator / god and its consequences of such a beleif are the cheif causes of mankinds troubles.. remember this is your thoughts if a creator , god , religion didnt exist in human conscience .. what are your thoughts ?.

smiddy.

cha ching

Dear Smid,

I was wondering the same thing myself, just the other day....

'Religion,' has been used as a means to control people.... to 'make one person more special than another.' Want to have a reason to get rid of your 'enemies'? etc....

I believe, that if all people were just curious, and like children, good hearted, wanting to learn, the world would have been a lot more gregarious, scientifically advanced.....

If there were no 'god', perhaps there would be other things.... like 'bosses,' 'kings,' 'heads of tribes,' 'generals of armies,' 'CEO's,' 'klans of families,' that would still demand loyalty, obedience. Perhaps men make themselves like gods, perhaps it would be the same?

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My Child Has Asked Me to Divorce Husband

by HeyThere in

i guess i am just venting.

its a mess.

i just dont even know where to start with this crap.

cha ching

Dear HeyThere,

So sorry for all of your turmoil... Wish I c/give you a hug... That kind of arguing can just tire you out.

I was reading what DOC said, about JW's who are inactive, leave, mess around and then feel guilty, come back and try to make atonement by becoming an active, repentant, meeting attending, service going, good appearing JW.

That really is not fair to the person who married them. Did he tell you that one day he might return, would expect you to study, become a JW, then treat you ill if you did not?

What would happen if you 'took a break', and went to live with relatives for a while, letting your head and body heal?.... give yourself a chance to think and breathe?

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ANOTHER poke in the eye of the balloon-god YodHeVahHe

by Nathan Natas in

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/evolution/first-metabolic-processes-detected-outside-of-cells/.

precis: a graduate student at the university of cambridge accidentally discovered the first evidence of metabolism occurring outside a cell.

to test the processes that could have helped spark life on earth, students in the earth sciences department who had been working on reconstructing the chemistry of the archean ocean, which covered the planet almost 4 billion years ago helped develop some experiments.

cha ching

I love the variety in life, the beauty, the harmony.....

I see design.... period. Absolute detail, awesome! unimaginable variety! breathtaking!

Accidents? hmmm.... usually end up in a mess.... clean it up.

Let's "draw" DNA, mitochondria, a living cell, the universe..... takes a bit of effort, and knowledge.

Personally, I see all the details, the beauty, the harmony as a sign of an inventor.

Who designed it? Don't know. Are they alive now? I don't have the answers.

How I live my life, the decisions I make, will not be based on whether there is or is not a God... or 'inventor'.

I will still love people, enjoy animals, try to live a creative life, and respect our home, planet earth.

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"No more money, not one red cent!"

by Separation of Powers in

once you recognize that the contributions you gave for the upkeep of your place of worship have been given to the corporation and will only be used to upkeep your place of worship at their discretion...the caption will become your mantra!.

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sop.

cha ching

If people's contributions are kept "private", then there is a possibility some may show their real feelings about the WT by not contributing...

This would be a great opportunity to 'vent', especially when you fear speaking out in the wake getting df'd.

Like I say, 'cha ching, cha ching! no more of MY bling!$'

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Listen, Obey and

by berrygerry in

i'm extremely neutral in our house, so it's not my influence - honest!.

my 11-year old is light-years advanced with his intelligence and humour.. he's going around the house singing "listen, obey, and be castrated.".

was not impressed.. pretty hard to contain my laughter..

cha ching

My favorite ending to the song:

"Listen, Obey or be DF'd"

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It is so obviously a lie......now

by snare&racket in

once the spell is broken, one you take a deep fresh breath outisde of the watchtower camp, the amazingly obvious realisation becomes clear.... of course this is a lie, of course this is ridiculous!

you find you have memories of really believing the claims and promises, but it seems like another life, another experience.

it seems so incredibly false once you leave and it is very difficult to belive you even once accepted it!

cha ching

Snare & R: your analogy of the gambling, addiction & "too much time invested to walk away" does "hit the WT nail on the head" (haha Lois ;-)

Done4Good: never thought of it that way, but I am sure it will help: both addicts (children born of addict mothers & adults who have become addicts) have the same need, you can't tell one from the other... both need the high... and from what I have seen, I do think a major life trajedy breaks up the unreality, the "drug" isn't working for them any more.... The "drug" just made things worse. "Hey, I don't want this, I don't need this, I wasn't really feeling that great after all.... and I paid a lot of time and money into it..... I am 'walking away from the slot machine, and leaving the hamster wheel.'"

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New Noah Film

by Perry in

jw
friends

new noah film by ray comfort.

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cha ching

RE the question at around 6:28, RayComfort poses a question to a lady, "What would you do if you found a little girl" (basically, who had been raped, killed, buried alive) and what would be the punishment for the person who did this to her. Then he asks her if "she believes in justice"... and make a comment "how much more should God punish a murderer or a rapist?"

RE: "The end of this world, and the judgement of God" Not all 7 billion are rapists, murderers, etc. That is not "justice."

To eliminate/ kill all who do not believe in "God, Jesus, the Bible," when the Bible, God, Messiahs are presented in so many ways, not available to all, so much hypocrisy exists in religion, christianity.... is not "just." I am not voting for a God like that.

Now, let's ask a question, of Mr. "Hell believer"; 'If you found your neighbor did not believe in God would you lock him up in your basement, put him in chains and torture him forever? For the rest of his life?' So, thanks for letting us know what "justice" is.

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Any ideas for my return visit?

by KateWild in

i had a really fun day today.

i went to town on first call to witness to the jws on the trolley outside the main train station in the city.

i had prepared two different presentations depending on whether or not the jws knew me.. if they knew me i planned to tell them how unjust my last jc was and that i didn't believe jehovah cared about me or anyone, and if they didin't know me i would just question them about their disfellowshipping policy.

cha ching

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDu42cnB0zs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=GJT5dC3DJo4&feature=endscreen

I love these songs Enjoy!

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Any ideas for my return visit?

by KateWild in

i had a really fun day today.

i went to town on first call to witness to the jws on the trolley outside the main train station in the city.

i had prepared two different presentations depending on whether or not the jws knew me.. if they knew me i planned to tell them how unjust my last jc was and that i didn't believe jehovah cared about me or anyone, and if they didin't know me i would just question them about their disfellowshipping policy.

cha ching

The trouble is they still believe it's "The Truth" even though what happened was unjust and guidance in the flock book. Kate

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I do see that happening with people. They have a small, compartmentalized view of the 'organization.' I think that when ex-JW's reveal the inner workings of the organization on a world wide scale, whether it be on the internet, or in person.... honest hearted people will have a hard time dismissing it out of their heads...

JW's hear the mantras "we are imperfect", "people make mistakes", "Jehovah will take care of it in his due time", so many times in a month, that it has become part of their psyche... an automatice defense clause.

So, when something unusual can shake their boat, perhaps... perhaps, a bit of ice cold ocean water will hit them on the face, and that will be the beginning of their awakening... we can only hope the best for them... That is why I feel that if I do do something, it is only because I want to do it, and if no one listens, I can still feel good about myself. It is me... my decision.

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Any ideas for my return visit?

by KateWild in

i had a really fun day today.

i went to town on first call to witness to the jws on the trolley outside the main train station in the city.

i had prepared two different presentations depending on whether or not the jws knew me.. if they knew me i planned to tell them how unjust my last jc was and that i didn't believe jehovah cared about me or anyone, and if they didin't know me i would just question them about their disfellowshipping policy.

cha ching

Hi Kate,

I can certainly feel your pain!... and frustration. Who wants to be treated unjustly? Who of us wants our name smeared? and then have "the glorious ones" piously sneer at us as we walk by, as if they are soooooo special, and 'righteous'!?!

I agree with you, though... I may be a lot like you... I am not DF'd... yet! But, my husband and children are, and just as you, very unfairly. What did they do wrong? They told the truth! They stood up for what is right! and that is not allowed in WT land.

JW's always want to tell "their side of the story." "We are persecuted for blah, blah, blah....... We just want to tell the truth, we just want our first amendment rights, we just want....... " But damn if you want to tell yours. Nope, not allowed.

Be proud that you DO KNOW THE TRUTH, that YOU are the righteous and true one, and have stuck by your conscience, and are actually FREE of guilt for supporting lies... of anything. I really do think that it is the 'good ones' that leave. People who have moral character are the ones that end up leaving.

Personally, I am all for doing whatever helps one 'get over' or 'get on' with one's life... whether it is 'talking to JW's' or not, blogging, or not.... as long as it is for YOU, great. Be happy with your decisions, just don't expect anything back, right? If I want to tell someone the real truth behind what happened to my family, I will. I won't 'expect anything,' but will not be beaten down, have my head down, walk around like 'I don't exist'!!!!

I will be happy, dance, be proud, live, love, share and laugh!

Hang in there Kate, you are on your way!!!!

cha ching, cha ching..... be happy and sing!